Prototype: nested rootless Podman for agent containers #6
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nested-podman: prove rootless Podman inside the rootless calternal container can run agent containers with persistent storage.Base:
818bc4d19bStarting nested rootless Podman prototype. Branch:
job/nested-podman; base SHA:818bc4d19bcb86d34df64185faecaf97c1608fc1. I confirmed the worktree is clean and the host reports Debian 13, Podman 5.4.2, kernel 6.12.69, cgroup v2, andkayg:165536:65536in/etc/subuid. I’ll test the requested outer/inner behavior and document exact commands, output, limitations, and recommendation in the owned paths.Finding from the first real outer launch: the service starts, but inner namespace creation exits with
newuidmap ... 65536 100000 65536: Operation not permitted.useraddinserted Debian's defaultpodman:100000:65536sub-ID range, which is not mapped into the outer user namespace. The image also had the mapped ranges I configured, so the next iteration removes the invalid default and retries with only IDs mapped by the outer namespace. No security-option conclusion yet.Second launch finding: adding
--cap-add=SYS_ADMINto the outer rootless container changes the inner service from exiting onnewuidmapto staying up. The service user remains UID/GID 1000;podman inforeportsrootless: true, cgroup v2, and a valid inner ID map. That trial still had--security-opt=seccomp=unconfinedplusSETUID/SETGID; I’m narrowing those flags before treating this as the minimal set.Finding: the inner Docker-compatible API is reachable over
/run/user/1000/podman/podman.sock;_ping,/version, Debian image pull, and named-volume create all succeeded. A Docker API container create withHostConfig.UsernsMode=autocreated an auto mapping (IDMappings.UidMap=["0:1:1024"]) and the Podman annotationio.podman.annotations.userns=auto, but start returned HTTP 500:crun: write file /proc/307/gid_map: Operation not permitted. The inner engine also loggedmkdir /sys/fs/cgroup/init: read-only file system; resource-limit behavior remains under test. I’m adjusting the non-root service UID/sub-ID layout and UID/GID capabilities to test the nested map path.Finding: after moving the non-root inner service to UID/GID 65536 and giving it the contiguous subordinate range 1:65535, a Docker API container with
UsernsMode=autostarts whenNetworkMode=hostandPidMode=host. Inspect shows a distinctUidMap=["0:1025:1024"]/GidMap=["0:1025:1024"]; the earlier failed creates occupy the first 1024-ID range. The start succeeds, but PID namespace sharing is a production concern, so I’m testing whether a private PID namespace can work with additional inner-container capabilities.Finding:
--security-opt='unmask=/proc/*'on the outer container resolves the nestedcrun: mount proc ... Operation not permittedfailure while retaining the default seccomp profile. A Docker API container then starts with private PID, host network, andUsernsMode=auto(UidMap=["0:1:1024"]). A per-user named volume mounted asname:/agent-home:Uis remapped to that ID slice and writable. The first private-network start now reaches netavark but fails because the minimal outer image lacks thenftexecutable (nftables error: unable to execute nft: No such file or directory); I’m adding the Debian nftables package. The APIHostConfig.Devicesrequest did not appear in inspect, so I’m checking a bind mount for/dev/fuseas the Docker-compatible pass-through.Real-machine checks from the API-backed agent prototype:
UsernsMode=auto, a private bridge container reachedhttps://example.comand opened TCP to the host LAN endpoint10.69.69.49:22022; its route wasdefault via 10.88.0.1.uid=1000(agent)container mountedbindfsfrom the sole inner device bind/dev/fuse:/dev/fuse.HostConfig.CapAdd=["SYS_ADMIN"]was required; the mount failed withOperation not permittedwithout it. The default seccomp profile remained enabled.automappings with only outerCAP_SYS_ADMIN; a fresh outer engine also started--userns=autocontainers without outerSETUID/SETGIDcapability additions. Without outerCAP_SYS_ADMIN, the service exited 125:newuidmap: write to uid_map failed: Operation not permitted.memory.max=max,cpu.max=max 100000,pids.max=2048). Adding--systemd=always --cgroupns=privatemade the cgroup mount writable; API values of 268435456 bytes, 500000000 NanoCPUs and 128 PIDs then appeared asmemory.max=268435456,cpu.max=50000 100000,pids.max=128.Finding: nested resource limits are enforceable in Podman 5.4.2 when the outer container starts with
--systemd=always --cgroupns=private, but the first Docker-compatible API start on a clean graphroot fails withcrun: opening file memory.max for writing: No such file or directory. Running one bounded CLI container first initializes the delegated controllers; the next limited API container reportsmemory.max=268435456,cpu.max=50000 100000, andpids.max=128.run-outer.shnow performs this small bootstrap using a digest-pinned Debian probe image and tags it for subsequent API creates.Timing experiment: restarting the same stopped bridge-network container fails on its second API start with HTTP 500 and
rootless netns: kill network process: permission denied. The smoke script now measures five freshcreate + start + waitruns for both the initial and warmed-engine samples, so it records the warm path without hiding that restart limitation.Finding: the reproducible
deploy/nested-podman/smoke.shcompleted successfully on this VM. It created an Agent-like container through the Docker-compatible API withUsernsMode=auto(uid_map=0 1 1024), mounted bindfs as UID 1000, fetchedhttps://example.com, and connected to the host LAN TCP probe10.69.69.49:22022. It readmemory.max=268435456,cpu.max=50000 100000, andpids.max=128after the CLI cgroup prewarm.The script removed and recreated the outer container with the same named state volume; the inner image ID remained
f097c58fd6c15c2047e6db69d1471c1d95a23c4d7b3897b9b017022c82a3f349, thesmoke-agentdefinition remained inspectable, and the inner named volume retainedpersisted-across-outer-recreate.Timing samples (API create + start + wait,
/bin/true, local image, bridge network): cold9202, 583, 332, 355, 339 ms, p50355 ms; warm326, 356, 366, 329, 349 ms, p50349 ms. The first cold bridge startup was 9.2 seconds. Full details and limitations are indocs/research/nested-podman.md.Finished on branch
job/nested-podman.Head SHA:
292a3953bbc0d46ca6960a64cd14d6c665c7ada7.The prototype and report are committed. The full smoke sequence passed, including API create/start, rootless
userns=auto, FUSE mount as UID 1000, internet and LAN TCP access, cgroup values, and image/container/volume persistence through outer recreation. The smoke script cleaned its isolated store. The remaining manually-created test engines were pruned inside their own named graphroots; their exact outer containers, state volumes, and local test tags were removed. No matching test containers, volumes, or image tags remain.Gate outputs:
sh -n deploy/nested-podman/run-outer.sh deploy/nested-podman/smoke.sh: exit 0, stdout/stderr empty.git diff --check HEAD^ HEAD: exit 0, stdout/stderr empty.cargo fmt --check(exit 1):cargo clippy --all-targets -- -D warnings(exit 101):cargo test(exit 101):cargo clean(exit 101):Starting work in
job/nested-o2from base310465abcd50d3115ec54687d47a4171b04ac756. Initial o2 read-only check found Ubuntu arm64 on kernel 6.17 with Podman 4.9.3;df -h ~reports 11G available, above the 4G stop threshold. Source inspection shows the Containerfile uses three build-time heredocs and both image references currently use the same digest; I will reproduce the failures before changing either.Baseline smoke reproduction on o2 (Ubuntu arm64, Podman 4.9.3) exited while executing the first Containerfile
RUN:exec /bin/sh: exec format error. The subsequent Buildah error waswhile running runtime: exit status 255. The Containerfile andrun-outer.shboth referenced the amd64 child digestsha256:7792b1f7702a86946cd518db72b6a407302c3e9bc1635634368b878189e8221c; a registry read confirms it is the amd64 child of Debian 13 slim indexsha256:a99cfc517144bc59b1978475ec53b46ecabec7e43635402ee5b77cc54cd1b20a, which has an arm64 child. The failure occurred before outer container creation.After pinning the verified multi-platform Debian index digest, the o2 run passed the architecture-dependent package-install
RUNand reached the first Containerfile heredoc. Podman 4.9.3/Buildah then exited 125 withBuild error: Unknown instruction: "[STORAGE]"; the diagnostic identifies[storage]as the parsed Containerfile command. This reproduces the independent heredoc incompatibility.The full smoke passed on o2 with Podman 4.9.3 (arm64, Ubuntu 24.04.4, kernel 6.17.0-1018-oracle). The inner API became ready after cgroup prewarm. API create/start passed with
UsernsMode=auto(uid_map=0 1 1024); the Agent reachedhttps://example.comand TCP10.69.69.52:443; bindfs FUSE passed; limits werememory.max=268435456,cpu.max=50000 100000,pids.max=128; the image ID and named-volume content persisted through outer recreation.Smoke summary, verbatim:
The run's cleanup removed its outer container, state volume, and uniquely tagged image. Follow-up
podman ... existschecks returned status 1 for each. Free space remained 9.9G. Host info reports rootless=true, netavark, cgroups=v2, manager=systemd.Completed on branch
job/nested-o2.Head SHA:
134dcc3740cccee3fffef22ddb41c4b7cd0dfb93Verdict: nested rootless Podman works on o2 (Ubuntu 24.04.4, arm64, kernel 6.17, host Podman 4.9.3) with the listed workarounds. The image now pins the multi-arch Debian index digest; the Containerfile uses
COPY-ed config files instead of heredocs. The run passed API create/start,userns=auto, internet and LAN probes, FUSE, resource limits, and persistence across outer recreation. The 5.4.2 amd64 VM also passed the portability rerun.Commits:
4fd4bc0fix(deploy): pin Debian multi-arch index digest24240dcfix(deploy): support Podman 4.9 Containerfiles551a15adocs(research): record Podman 4.9 o2 smoke results134dcc3docs(research): attribute bridge restart failure to VMGates:
sh -n deploy/nested-podman/run-outer.sh deploy/nested-podman/smoke.sh deploy/nested-podman/inner-podman-servicepassed with no output;git diff --check,cargo fmt --check, and clippy passed with no output;cargo testpassed (448 passed, 1 ignored, 0 failed);bun run checkreportedsvelte-check found 0 errors and 0 warnings;bun run testreportedTest Files 1 passedandTests 1 passed.O2 smoke summary (verbatim):
Local VM smoke summary (verbatim):
cargo cleanoutput:Removed 6464 files, 2.7GiB total. The worktree is clean. Known gaps and owner decisions are recorded indocs/research/nested-podman.md; notably, the stopped-bridge restart failure was observed on the 5.4.2 VM and was not tested on o2, and the cross-combinations 4.9.3/amd64 and 5.x/arm64 remain untested.Completed on dev in
dcc806f4c6(Merge job/nested-o2: nested Podman runs on o2 (Podman 4.9.3, arm64) (#6)).